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Holly Xiao

Holly Xiao

Director of Product Marketing, Salesloft

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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
Sharebird and Product Marketing Alliance have some great resources on this topic. Glassdoor is also helpful sometimes when folks share interview questions they were asked. So I’d take full advantage of them if you haven’t already. I’ve also googled phrases like “PMM interview questions” or “preparing for a product marketing interview”. You’d be surprised how helpful some of the Medium articles are.
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
I love this question! It’s so important to develop transferrable skills even if you aren’t in a PMM role. That proactive attitude goes a long way in interviews since it shows you're a go-getter. And that’s a quality that can’t really be taught. Here are six ways you can develop product marketing skills: 1. Tell people you're interested in Product Marketing: This doesn’t directly tie to developing PMM skills. But if you’re genuinely interested in PMM, my biggest advice is to let those around you know. Talk to your manager and the product marketing leader at your company to let them know that you’re interested in PMM. In my experience, this opens up a career development conversation and helps you become top of mind when opportunities (like projects or roles) arise. 2. Be deliberate with the skills you build: Research the core skills (soft and hard) PMMs should have and create a list of them. In one of the questions below, I go into more detail on some skills to consider. But once you have the list, map out what PMM skills you can develop in your current position and what those projects/responsibilities might be. Assuming your conversation (from bullet #1) with your manager went well — share the list with your manager and brainstorm ways to develop some of the other PMM skills that aren’t naturally associated with your role. The goal is to accumulate a repository of applicable stories and examples to share in PMM interviews. 3. Step up to help your PMM team: It’s so different learning about PMM at the macro level and actually putting it into practice. Even if your company doesn’t have an open PMM headcount, you may be able to take on some tasks to support your PMM team. Especially right now, when budgets and resources are tight, your PMM team will likely appreciate your help. For you, it’s a great way to gain hands-on experience and get a feel for a day in the life of a PMM. Even if there isn’t anything for you to help with now, it shows your PMM team that you’re serious, and they’ll think of you when a suitable project comes along. A good rule of thumb is to dedicate around 10% of your time to career development. 4. Schedule informational interviews with PMMs: Linkedin is your best friend for this. I recommend reaching out to product marketers at companies you’re interested in for an informational interview. Learn about their day-to-day routine, what they love/don’t love about product marketing and their career journey. There’s a good chance they all took a unique path to PMM that you can learn from. Plus, PMM varies by company, so speaking with a handful of PMMs can give you a broader perspective of product marketing and how it can vary. Bonus tip: it’s SO important to build relationships before you “need” them. 5. Attend a product marketing summit or conference: Some people think they want to be product marketers, but once they learn more about the role, challenges and day-to-day, they change their minds. That’s why doing your homework to dive deep into the function is necessary. Communities like Product Marketing Alliance and SVPG organize conferences/summits every year. So consider attending a conference/event to get an immersive view of product marketing, learn what's top of mind for product marketers, and network with companies & individuals. Who knows, you might meet your future manager or peer at one of these events. 6. Read books! I found the following books helpful in getting started with PMM: 1. Buyer Personas: How to Gain Insight Into Your Customer's Expectations, Align Your Marketing Strategies, and Win More Business by Adele Revella 2. Product Marketing Debunked: The Essential Go-To-Market Guide by Yasmeen Turayhi 3. Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey A. Moore
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
Go-to-market strategy and execution is probably one of the most sought-after hard skills for PMM. But a Product Marketing role varies from company to company. When hiring, I start by evaluating two things: 1. What are our business objectives? When writing a job description, I like to work backward. I always start by considering our business north stars and what pillars a new hire should be responsible for to help us achieve our strategic goals. From there, I break down the pillars into tactical lines: "plan, lead, and manage go-to-market strategies across various channels to drive awareness, demand, and advance our differentiation in the market.” My tip here is to pay close attention to the job description. It can tell you what specific skills the hiring manager is looking for in a new hire. So be prepared to elaborate on your experience in those areas with compelling stories (situation, task, impact, results). 2. What are my shortcomings? Having a well-rounded team is important to me. In a perfect world, we'd all be experts at everything. But that’s never the case. So I try to hire people who excel in areas where my team (myself included) might be lacking. Maybe we're great at GTM, but we can improve on writing. In this scenario, I'd look for someone whose superpower indexes more towards writing vs GTM execution. This way, we balance each other's strengths and weaknesses to maximize business impact. I personally place a greater emphasis on soft skills since almost all hard skills in PMM can be taught. But it depends on what the business needs (now) and what you can develop over time. If I were to hire someone right now, I’d look for someone with the following skills: Soft skills: * Communication skills * Relationship-building skills * Passion and empathy for customers * Adaptability * Problem-solving skills Hard skills: * Writing and storytelling skills * Planning and project management skills * Data fluency
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
I touched on this topic in one of the questions above. That said, I think it’s wise to take a deliberate approach. Otherwise, you're just creating work without getting the output you want. I'd recommend making a list of the core PMM skills hiring managers are looking for. You can find a lot of this information in job descriptions. Once you have the list, map out what skills you can build in your current role and what those projects/responsibilities are. Assuming your manager is supportive of your career development, share the list with your manager and ask him/her/them to help you brainstorm how you can develop some of the other PMM skills that might not come naturally in your role. This will allow you to track your PMM skills over time and have a repository of stories to draw from when interviewing for PMM positions. If you're looking for something a little simpler, writing, collaboration, project management, business acumen, and data fluency are (a few) key transferable skills for PMMs. Is there a couple you can start practicing today?
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
I don't think this is critical. But it doesn't hurt to have one if this is something that interests you! For most interview processes, we'll ask for work examples or have a homework assignment. So if you already have an online portfolio linked from your resume, that could save us a step. If you do have a portfolio, make sure it is easy to navigate/clean and tells the story you want. Having a mediocre portfolio could distract from your efforts.
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
In my experience, taking your career into your own hands is key. There will be managers who are great about having career conversations with you, and there will be managers who aren't. Be bold and bring it up on your own. Here’s what you can start doing today: 1. Know your strengths, gaps, and aspirations: Sounds basic, but it's important. Knowing your strengths and weaknesses gives you a better sense of how you operate - and a starting point for career development. If you need to figure out what your strengths and weaknesses are, take an online assessment like Strengthfinder. Better yet, ask around. I personally love 360 reviews because it gives you feedback from all directions. Plus, the reviews are typically from people who work closest to you, so the feedback you get is relevant and well-rounded. However, informal methods work too! You can schedule a coffee chat with a coworker or send them a slack to get feedback. Once you have a clear understanding of where your strengths and weaknesses are, define your aspirations. But instead of focusing on titles, ask yourself what kind of work you’d want to do. What does an ideal day look like in your dream role? 2. Create a career development plan & share it with your manager: The next step is to make an individual development plan to outline your career goals and how you'll get there. The document usually includes strengths, development opportunities, long-term career vision, short-term career plan, and immediate growth areas. But don't worry, there are tons of templates on the internet to help you get started. Regardless of the format, it's critical to partner with your manager so you're on the same page about expectations and where he/she/they can help. Once you have a plan, don't just set it and forget it. I can't stress enough how important it is to set aside time to work on your career development and hold yourself (and your manager) accountable. 3. Build your personal board of advisors: Just as a company looks to its Board for guidance, a personal board of advisors offers you support in a broader sense and gives you candid feedback. Each “director” usually specializes in a different area: a compassionate friend, a parent, a great manager, a talented peer, an executive coach, someone in your dream role, and so on. The goal is for you to assemble a team of people who can offer you diverse perspectives, advice, and connections. Building that board takes time, but it's so helpful to have a group of people you can learn from, lean on, and count on - no matter where you are in your career.
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
This is a tough one because there’s no “correct” answer. Product Marketing varies depending on the industry, company size, and maturity. So evaluate the “right” experiences based on what you want to learn and what you want to accomplish. I’d challenge you to put the title aside and focus more on the responsibilities that interest you. Generally speaking, the more senior you get, the broader your scope. So I’d say it’s important to: 1. Develop more cross-discipline expertise vs deep discipline expertise. It's often called having "T-shaped" skills, where you have deep knowledge in 1 to 2 areas of product marketing (like GTM strategies) AND a wide range of other core skills at the top of your T (like pricing & packaging, analyst relations, etc). Self-awareness is key here. So take some time to identify what your areas of expertise are. What aspects of PMM can you do in your sleep? On the flip side, what responsibilities are challenging or draining? If you’re a PMM focused on a specific part of inbound or outbound product marketing, look for ways to flex into other areas that aren’t part of your job description. The skills at the top of your T could even include aspects outside of PMM, like data analytics, sales, research, etc. Having a broader knowledge base will help you gain more perspective, which is valuable as your career progresses. 2. Practice influencing without power. This does not mean bringing your ego to work. It’s actually the opposite. Product marketing is one of the most cross-functional roles out there. And we often need to influence groups of people despite not having authority, regardless of our level. That all starts with building great relationships and trust. So invest time and effort in relationship building to make XFN folks “friends of PMM”. Besides relationships, organizational knowledge and subject matter expertise are also important to help you influence. People want to be heard and understood. The more you understand how your business operates, how different teams function, and what their challenges are, the better partner you can be. That’s the power of empathy. So take every opportunity to zoom out — learn about how a business runs, how various functions contribute to overall business objectives, and the challenges different teams face. 3. Learn to be an effective people manager. You’ll likely be hiring and leading a team as a product marketing leader. However, most people underestimate how difficult and stressful it can be to move from being an individual contributor (IC) to a manager. Being a manager isn’t easy. What made you successful as an IC probably won't work in a management position. So, if you know you want to follow that path, start learning! Take advantage of your company's management tools, resources, and classes. Better yet, if you can manage vendors, contractors, or interns, take advantage of those opportunities. The key is continuously asking them for feedback to help adjust your management style. Everyone has different needs and works differently. Make sure you customize your management approach based on individuals’ needs. If you prefer reading, "The Making of a Manager" by Julie Zhou could interest you.
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
It's common for people to move from one industry to another. If you're in eCommerce right now, don't feel like you have to apply for only eCommerce jobs. At the end of the day, it’s really about how fast you can learn and hit the ground running in a new role. I'm a firm believer that you'll learn 70% of a new role while on the job. If you’re making it to the 2nd and 3rd rounds, that signals to me that the hiring manager thinks you have the right experience/skills from your resume. Many factors could be at play, but it may be that you haven't gone in-depth on the core skills they're looking for, or other candidates may be stronger in certain areas, such as market expertise (totally making this up). So they could think you won't be able to onboard or ramp up as fast as someone from the same industry. But that’s your chance to prove them wrong! * Prepare, prepare, prepare: Doing your homework is so important. How much you've prepared really shows in interviews. And as I've mentioned before, go-getters will be considered more favorably by hiring managers (IMO). So spend a few hours researching the market, the company, and its competition ahead of your interviews. Then use that knowledge to frame your answers and ask thoughtful questions in interviews. * Show them you're a quick learner: People hire for experience/skills but, more importantly, team fit and potential. Have in-depth examples at the ready of when you proactively learned something new, took on an ambiguous initiative, etc. Make sure you frame your stories with the situation, task, impact, and result.
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
I answered a similar question below so copying my answer here. It’s so important to develop transferrable skills even if you aren’t in a PMM role. That proactive attitude goes a long way in interviews since it shows you're a go-getter. And that’s a quality that can’t really be taught. Here are six ways you can develop product marketing skills: 1. Tell people you're interested in Product Marketing: This doesn’t directly tie to developing PMM skills. But if you’re genuinely interested in PMM, my biggest advice is to let those around you know. Talk to your manager and the product marketing leader at your company to let them know that you’re interested in PMM. In my experience, this opens up a career development conversation and helps you become top of mind when opportunities (like projects or roles) arise. 2. Be deliberate with the skills you build: Research the core skills (soft and hard) PMMs should have and create a list of them. In one of the questions below, I go into more detail on some skills to consider. But once you have the list, map out what PMM skills you can develop in your current position and what those projects/responsibilities might be. Assuming your conversation (from bullet #1)#1) with your manager went well — share the list with your manager and brainstorm ways to develop some of the other PMM skills that aren’t naturally associated with your role. The goal is to accumulate a repository of applicable stories and examples to share in PMM interviews. 3. Step up to help your PMM team: It’s so different learning about PMM at the macro level and actually putting it into practice. Even if your company doesn’t have an open PMM headcount, you may be able to take on some tasks to support your PMM team. Especially right now, when budgets and resources are tight, your PMM team will likely appreciate your help. For you, it’s a great way to gain hands-on experience and get a feel for a day in the life of a PMM. Even if there isn’t anything for you to help with now, it shows your PMM team that you’re serious, and they’ll think of you when a suitable project comes along. A good rule of thumb is to dedicate around 10% of your time to career development. 4. Schedule informational interviews with PMMs: Linkedin is your best friend for this. I recommend reaching out to product marketers at companies you’re interested in for an informational interview. Learn about their day-to-day routine, what they love/don’t love about product marketing and their career journey. There’s a good chance they all took a unique path to PMM that you can learn from. Plus, PMM varies by company, so speaking with a handful of PMMs can give you a broader perspective of product marketing and how it can vary. Bonus tip: it’s SO important to build relationships before you “need” them. 5. Attend a product marketing summit or conference: Some people think they want to be product marketers, but once they learn more about the role, challenges and day-to-day, they change their minds. That’s why doing your homework to dive deep into the function is necessary. Communities like Product Marketing Alliance and SVPG organize conferences/summits every year. So consider attending a conference/event to get an immersive view of product marketing, learn what's top of mind for product marketers, and network with companies & individuals. Who knows, you might meet your future manager or peer at one of these events. 6. Read books! I found the following books helpful in getting started with PMM: * Buyer Personas: How to Gain Insight Into Your Customer's Expectations, Align Your Marketing Strategies, and Win More Business by Adele Revella * Product Marketing Debunked: The Essential Go-To-Market Guide by Yasmeen Turayhi * Crossing the Chasm by Geoffrey A. Moore
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Holly Xiao
Holly Xiao
Salesloft Director of Product MarketingJanuary 12
The most important thing I can tell you is that your first job out of college won't define your career forever. So don't be afraid to take risks! Several large companies have associate product marketing manager programs or rotational programs that you can apply for. Make sure you check when applications must be submitted, as the programs follow a biannual (I think) schedule. With that said — generally, it's rare to start your career in product marketing because it’s often a more specialized role. So I recommend looking for roles that will help you learn about businesses, customers, and storytelling. Bonus points if you get the opportunity to work cross-functionally. I started my career at a small company (less than 30 people) doing marketing communications and operations. I spent over a year there as the only Marketer, meaning I had to wear many hats. The silver lining was that I learned how a business functions, how teams work together, and the importance of customers. That experience led me to my next role, then the next, and now to Product Marketing at Drift. The point is: building (more) general skills early in your career will enable you to better define the path you want to take later on. So learn as much as possible in every role you're in. For example, if you're in an entry-level marketing role — take full advantage of understanding your marketing channels, how campaigns are developed, and how to track performance. All of that will come in handy, I promise. Just remember, things don’t always work out as planned, but they work out as they should. This sounds cheesy, but I’ve come to appreciate this phrase.
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Director of Product Marketing at Salesloft
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