Jennifer Kuvlesky

AMA: Snow Software Director of Product Marketing, Jennifer Kuvlesky on Customer Research

November 16 @ 9:00AM PST
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
Understanding your buyer persona, and their priorities will help you better understand your ideal customer profile. Your marketing team does not want to waste $ on generating leads that go no where, and your sales team wants leads they can easily convert. Are these complaints that exist at your organization today? There are only so many budget dollars available. If the problem you solve is not one of the highest priorities of your buyer, then it will make selling challenging, especially in tough times. Often, the priorities of buyers and champions/users are different. For instance, we just did a survey and found the top priorities of managers compared to the CIO for SaaS management were not aligned. My advice is to build a hypothesis by looking into your closed won and closed lost opportunities. Who are your buyers and champions? Are they the same in won and lost ops? At a high level, what are the priorities of each persona? Are they vastly different? If so, you hopefully will have enough data to convince your organization to do more research. 
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How have you historically sourced people to interview while developing personas?
Especially if you don't have any customers that fit the bill my current plan is to assemble a list of possible titles and have my virtual assistant company prospect for and find contact details for them then probably send out a survey to validate if they're the right people to talk to and reach out individually to the ones that fit the bill.
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 16
I think your plan is a good way of moving forward. If money is no object, you could obtain a panel, and do a survey, and then contact those who seem to fit the profile for a deeper interview. I've used LinkedIn for reaching out to target personas and asking them for 30 minutes of their time to chat. If you leverage partners in your GTM, they may have some contacts to connect with. I've also learned about this resource recently, but have not yet used them. Userinterviews.com.
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
In my experience, the best way to communicate with sales people is to speak with them. They are so busy, and I find they don't read emails from PMMs, especially emails not directed to them personally. In my opinion, the best way to share competitive materials is in a short team meeting, through the sales engineering/solution consulting teams and by directly responding to questions they have (where you can send links to prepared materials). It also helps to be very clear about your competitive differentiation, and have sellers share stories of how they've won. Hearing best practices from others in the field is important, as the field often has some of the best competitve intel. 
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
In my experience, the main difference between UX and product marketing qualatative research is that UX teams are generally trying to understand user behavior for a specific product or feature where product marketers are trying to understand frustrations, motivations, problems, buying dynamics, etc. for both users and buyers for a speciifc product area or solution. PMM, UX and PM teams could do a better job of collaborating as all teams need to have a shared understanding of * the user personas, persona problems, frustrations and priorities * user value, buyer value and willingness to pay A good resource I've been exposed to on the topic of product research is Product Discovery, by Martin Christensen and Marcus Castenfors. There are some good frameworks outlined in this book. 
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
There are situations where multiple personas might make sense. If you are just getting started, I'd focus on your primary persona and get that right. Does your product solve problems that multiple personas have? If so, you could extend your messaging to that persona. But don't assume the same message for your primary persona will land with your secondary persona. Do the persona research or risk throwing away marketing dollars. I had a product several years ago and the primary persona was the sysadmin. We built some functionalty to deeply montior SQL server and decided to also sell this product to DBAs. In the initial launch, we used the same message for both personas. FAIL. Lesson learned - do the persona and messaging work.
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
Start first by understanding what problems your product or service solves and the personas who are willing to pay for the problem to be solved. Then look at the alternatives in the market for solving those problems (products, services and DIY/free offerings) and how your product or service differentiates (or could differentiate by understanding your core competencies) against those alternatives. For instance, one company I worked at entered a well known market by providing a low cost, easy-to-use product. The competitors at that time offered tools targeted to enterprises with all the bells and whistles that were both expensive and required lengthy services engagements. Being low cost, the new company couldn't wine and dine executives and focused on marketing to end users with a price point that wouldn't require a lot of approvals. Through this strategy, they were able to land and then expand to other areas of the business, and were eventually seen as mission critical in some enterprises as their share of wallet in the organization grew.
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
The good news is sales people notice when materials are out of date, and will let you know it is time for a refresh. :) Joking aside, here are some proactive tips on how to keep materials up to date. Market research: With Google alerts, you can capture trends, survey results and news for the topics your personas care about. If you subscribed to analyst research, be sure to have a look at new research on a regular basis. As PMMs, we write about many of these trends in blogs, and use updated stats in sales presentations and prospecting emails. You could make it a policy to refresh sales content on a quarterly basis (or at least check to see if you need to) and then communicate to the field the new changes. Personas: In my opinion, persona research needs to be refreshed less frequently. Some triggers that could require a refresh: * Your product has a major new feature that could serve a different persona * In analyzing wins/leads, you find that your primary persona has shifted * There is a disruption in the market which could cause responsibilities/buying centers to shift Competitive: Competitive should be kept up to date as much as possible. You don't want your sales team caught off gaurd. Competitive intel often comes from your field teams, so it is critical to have good relationships with the field and a mechanism to capture this intel. Usually the best way to capture sales intel is via 1:1 interviews or having monthly listening meetings. (We are implementing a listening tool soon, so that might provide additional insights.) It's also beneficial to have a person or team focused on capturing competitive insights from across the organization (PM, PMM, field, and external research such as product reviews and documentation). At Snow we are blessed to have someone on our product insights team focused on doing just that. Publishing up to date battlecards and competitive newsletters are ways to keep the field informed. It is even better attend sales meetings to review recent findings and have the field share their win stories with their colleagues.
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I'm looking for tips and advice on building an effective buyer journey: Do you have any insights on how to effectively map and orchestrate a learning->buying cycle, considering a B2B Saas Product?
We're currently revisiting our content strategy here at Resultados Digitais, and some help on the subject would be very valuable. Our main challenges include: - Finding which types of of subject/content/format/channel work better, and in which stage of the journey; and - Understand how far should we go on segmenting and personalizing our strategy, and under which axis (demographics, persona, etc);
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
I'd first understand the personas you are targeting-what problems do they have, how do they like to consume materials and find answers to their problems. You can have multiple personas, but for your home page, I'd stick to just one clear message that describes what problem you solve for your target persona. This is a good resource I've stumbled upon recently - Building a Story Brand by Donald Miller. Using SEO optimization, digital advertising and sales outbounding, you can focus on other personas and direct them to landing pages and content that is specific for them. In thinking throught the learning to buying cycle, again, it goes back to the persona. Is this a well known solution to a problem? If so, then content could be more focused on why you are the best company to solve their problem and how you do it with social proof and other content that demonstrates your authority on the topic. If the solution is not well known, or the problem is not well understood, then you'll need to do more educating on why this is a problem they need to solve or what they should look for in a solution to the problem. My advice is to understand your ideal customer profile. Who are your best customers? Why did they buy? What problems were they facing? What caused them to search for a solution? Why was your solution chosen? Who are the users and buyers in these accounts?
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
I've used VoC insights to improve marketing messages, campaign focus and customer experiences. Here are some examples. * Customer onboarding: Analyzing support case trends and feedback from product reviews helped reveal where customers were getting stuck on thier journey. Using this information, we created better onboarding guides and new onboarding services. * Website messaging: We got a download of all our customer reviews and analyzed these using manual methods (and natural language processing methods in later iterations) to understand what features were important to customers compared to what we were promoting in copy on product pages. It was surprising how important basic features (like alerting) were to reviewers. In web copy we tended not to highlight the basic capabilities. This was for a product line that was on premises, so we did not have the advantage of telemetry. With native SaaS applications, you can uncover more easily how customers are using the product and what features are most important. * Sales enablement and marketing campaigns: We recently analyzed all closed won Salesforce records over the last two years to better understand customer pain trends and who the champions/personas are in these purchase decisions. One of the pain points that surfaced highest on the list was surprising as it seems like a declining use case in looking at other trends. This information will inform our marketing and sales enablement efforts for next year. * Prioritizing product improvements: We surveyed our customer base to ask them about what they like, didn't like and where they'd like to see us headed in the future. This data, in addition to analyzing support cases, helped us to understand where we could help in the short term (with how-to videos) and with near term product improvements to improve the customer experience. * Post sales experiences: At one company I worked for we did a customer journey mapping exercise using a third party (Customers First Now) to identify points of delight and points of friction along the journey. This helped bring the voice of the customer to executive teams who already knew about issues (and bring a sense of urgency) as well as highlight aspects of our total offering we did not market to new logos (e.g. the community). 
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
The most common mistake I've seen in developing VoC programs is thinking too narrowly about the customers' voice. Often, VoC programs start with marketing or customer success with the goal of obtaining advocates for case studies, reviews and references. Advocates can be leveraged for so much more; for example: * Participants in UX research * Beta participants * Participating in persona interviews or providing feedback on messaging In addition to obtaining case studies and references, VoC programs can be used to help product marketing and product teams understand: * your product's ideal customer profile by understanding pain points and purchase triggers and correlating this to ARR * what common phrases your customers use when describing their problem, and what they find useful about your solution. You can then compare these terms with what is on your website to adjust messaging for features and pain points your customers feel are most important. * frustrations with your current offering by analyzing support cases, product reviews and NPS feedback In developing your program, I encourage you to think about every function in your organization that could benefit from hearing the voice of the customer, and what impact they could make with that data. 
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
In my response, I'm assuming your company will be selling to professional services firms. I'd start with these questions: * Where are the dollars spent for professional services? What are the segments/industries/geographies/largest firms? * Who is serving those segments? How are they solving the problem your app solves/will solve? Also think about how firms are solving the problem today (spreadsheets/DIY/manpower). * Are there significant markets not being served by alternatives? Why? * For markets being served, what do users like or dislike about current offerings on the market (primary research and reviews) * Who are the user and buyer personas? What problems do they have? Are they willing to pay for a solution to their problem? Where does the problem you solve align with their order of priorities? (primary and internet research)
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Jennifer Kuvlesky
Jennifer Kuvlesky
Snow Software Director of Product MarketingNovember 17
This one is tough because it is a lot easier to speak to people you have a relationship with than total strangers! We speak to our customers a lot but they are biased with how we solve their problems. We can also rely on speaking with 'friendly' customers and avoid speaking to customers who are not so happy with us. Without speaking to people we don't know, we won't get to learn about perspectives of solving a particular problem, and we may fail to learn about other problems that need to be solved. My advice is to speak to customers and non-customers to obtain a more comprehensive view of your target audience.
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